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	<title>Comments on: Creationists? In My University? It&#8217;s More Likely Than You Think!</title>
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		<title>By: Joshua Zelinsky</title>
		<link>http://bostonskeptics.com/2009/11/creationists-in-my-university-its-more-likely-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-781</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Zelinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 03:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about that. I know better than to give long links. Will go back to my teapot now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about that. I know better than to give long links. Will go back to my teapot now.</p>
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		<title>By: maggie</title>
		<link>http://bostonskeptics.com/2009/11/creationists-in-my-university-its-more-likely-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator>maggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed JoshuaZ&#039;s comment. It was the really long URL that was breaking word-wrap. Fixed by making it a link.

I was unable to fix the other comment because in the fantasy world it was written words mean the opposite of what you expect. (i.e. - free thinker = someone who must abide by a 2000 year old book of mythology and is not free to make up their own mind).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fixed JoshuaZ&#8217;s comment. It was the really long URL that was breaking word-wrap. Fixed by making it a link.</p>
<p>I was unable to fix the other comment because in the fantasy world it was written words mean the opposite of what you expect. (i.e. &#8211; free thinker = someone who must abide by a 2000 year old book of mythology and is not free to make up their own mind).</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://bostonskeptics.com/2009/11/creationists-in-my-university-its-more-likely-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-779</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or a potato, which is extremely nutritious but will make us sick if we eat it raw, and so on, and so on. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or a potato, which is extremely nutritious but will make us sick if we eat it raw, and so on, and so on. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Todd W.</title>
		<link>http://bostonskeptics.com/2009/11/creationists-in-my-university-its-more-likely-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-778</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish I&#039;d read this earlier, not that I would&#039;ve been able to make it, anyway.  But, it would have been nice to show up to get my free copy, carrying a pineapple to display the greatness of God&#039;s work.  I mean, it is shaped to fit nicely in the...err...well, it has a lovely easy-open tab on top...hmm...it fits nice and easy into the mou---  oh, well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wish I&#8217;d read this earlier, not that I would&#8217;ve been able to make it, anyway.  But, it would have been nice to show up to get my free copy, carrying a pineapple to display the greatness of God&#8217;s work.  I mean, it is shaped to fit nicely in the&#8230;err&#8230;well, it has a lovely easy-open tab on top&#8230;hmm&#8230;it fits nice and easy into the mou&#8212;  oh, well.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://bostonskeptics.com/2009/11/creationists-in-my-university-its-more-likely-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-777</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua Zelinski - There&#039;s something odd about the fomatting of your comment that makes it virtually unreadable.  It looks as though line-wrap has somehow been suppressed.  Everyone else&#039;s comments look fine.  (Opera 10.01 on Windows XP.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua Zelinski &#8211; There&#8217;s something odd about the fomatting of your comment that makes it virtually unreadable.  It looks as though line-wrap has somehow been suppressed.  Everyone else&#8217;s comments look fine.  (Opera 10.01 on Windows XP.)</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://bostonskeptics.com/2009/11/creationists-in-my-university-its-more-likely-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-776</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kid because I love. =D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kid because I love. =D</p>
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		<title>By: JawsForJesus</title>
		<link>http://bostonskeptics.com/2009/11/creationists-in-my-university-its-more-likely-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-775</link>
		<dc:creator>JawsForJesus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reread this post and just caught the comment about English majors.

I was an English major... :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reread this post and just caught the comment about English majors.</p>
<p>I was an English major&#8230; :(</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Zelinsky</title>
		<link>http://bostonskeptics.com/2009/11/creationists-in-my-university-its-more-likely-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-774</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Zelinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, I think that there were certain some statements made that bordered on censorship. For example, some people in some internet fora suggested getting all the copies one could and then dumping them in the trash. But as far as I&#039;m aware no one actually went through with this. Moreover, no major blogger or organization advocated doing this. I&#039;m not even aware of anyone trying to do so. In fact, most skeptics went out of their way to get a copy to read for themselves. (Which is incidentally an interesting contrast. How many creationists do you think bought the Greatest Show on Earth just to see what he says?).

Dru, um, no one is angry. I mean, I&#039;m a bit annoyed because the one day early thing meant I couldn&#039;t have fun getting a copy for myself (since I wasn&#039;t at one of the targeted universities). There is a general anger among many skeptics about the creationist movement. That is because people like Ray lie repeatedly and are impervious to reason. Heck, he couldn&#039;t even tell the truth about when he was going to distribute his modified book.

This is a general pattern. Yes, it gets people upset. It has nothing to do with creationists in particular though. The major proponents of many pseudoscientific belief systems act this way. The anti-vaccination groups and homeopathy proponents both act this way for example. Moreover, it is all the more irritating because the major proponents rake in the cash bilking the innocent who don&#039;t know better. 

But there&#039;s really no specific anger. Sure some people might be angry, but you can always find angry people. It seems pretty clear that among the general skeptical community the response to this has been far more amusement than anger.

I&#039;m incidentally amused by someone trying to claim they are a free thinker when your ministry&#039;s blog doesn&#039;t allow comments. Yep, that&#039;s a real dedication to open and honest debate. I thought that maybe you didn&#039;t because you had such a high traffic website that you didn&#039;t want the hassle to deal with spam or inappropriate comments. But then I saw your your stat counter &lt;a href=&quot;http://my7.statcounter.com/project/standard2/stats.php?account_id=1053377&amp;login_id=3&amp;code=bd5a9ff0544067339e5ae7ac0d702fc9&amp;guest_login=1&amp;project_id=5111572&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; and you seem to get fewer daily hits than my blog. I&#039;m pretty sure I don&#039;t make the D-list of bloggers. So that&#039;s not the reason.  If you are going to make a claim about being &quot;free thinking&quot; it might help to minimally pretend to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, I think that there were certain some statements made that bordered on censorship. For example, some people in some internet fora suggested getting all the copies one could and then dumping them in the trash. But as far as I&#8217;m aware no one actually went through with this. Moreover, no major blogger or organization advocated doing this. I&#8217;m not even aware of anyone trying to do so. In fact, most skeptics went out of their way to get a copy to read for themselves. (Which is incidentally an interesting contrast. How many creationists do you think bought the Greatest Show on Earth just to see what he says?).</p>
<p>Dru, um, no one is angry. I mean, I&#8217;m a bit annoyed because the one day early thing meant I couldn&#8217;t have fun getting a copy for myself (since I wasn&#8217;t at one of the targeted universities). There is a general anger among many skeptics about the creationist movement. That is because people like Ray lie repeatedly and are impervious to reason. Heck, he couldn&#8217;t even tell the truth about when he was going to distribute his modified book.</p>
<p>This is a general pattern. Yes, it gets people upset. It has nothing to do with creationists in particular though. The major proponents of many pseudoscientific belief systems act this way. The anti-vaccination groups and homeopathy proponents both act this way for example. Moreover, it is all the more irritating because the major proponents rake in the cash bilking the innocent who don&#8217;t know better. </p>
<p>But there&#8217;s really no specific anger. Sure some people might be angry, but you can always find angry people. It seems pretty clear that among the general skeptical community the response to this has been far more amusement than anger.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m incidentally amused by someone trying to claim they are a free thinker when your ministry&#8217;s blog doesn&#8217;t allow comments. Yep, that&#8217;s a real dedication to open and honest debate. I thought that maybe you didn&#8217;t because you had such a high traffic website that you didn&#8217;t want the hassle to deal with spam or inappropriate comments. But then I saw your your stat counter <a href="http://my7.statcounter.com/project/standard2/stats.php?account_id=1053377&amp;login_id=3&amp;code=bd5a9ff0544067339e5ae7ac0d702fc9&amp;guest_login=1&amp;project_id=5111572" rel="nofollow">[link]</a> and you seem to get fewer daily hits than my blog. I&#8217;m pretty sure I don&#8217;t make the D-list of bloggers. So that&#8217;s not the reason.  If you are going to make a claim about being &#8220;free thinking&#8221; it might help to minimally pretend to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: MITer</title>
		<link>http://bostonskeptics.com/2009/11/creationists-in-my-university-its-more-likely-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-773</link>
		<dc:creator>MITer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Got one today after a friend came into the Lab confused about having a copy handed to him. Fun read... Yes, aggravatingly incorrect with fuzzy logic and much deus-ex-machina going on. BUT, if you remove those 50 pages, you have a fantastic and free copy of The Origin of Species for your bookshelf!

I mean, really... was MIT the /best/ place to be handing these books out. This is a science school...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got one today after a friend came into the Lab confused about having a copy handed to him. Fun read&#8230; Yes, aggravatingly incorrect with fuzzy logic and much deus-ex-machina going on. BUT, if you remove those 50 pages, you have a fantastic and free copy of The Origin of Species for your bookshelf!</p>
<p>I mean, really&#8230; was MIT the /best/ place to be handing these books out. This is a science school&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://bostonskeptics.com/2009/11/creationists-in-my-university-its-more-likely-than-you-think/comment-page-1/#comment-772</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are the words of someone who isn&#039;t interested in having a real debate. No one tried to stop you from handing out your ridiculous sham of a book with its missing chapters and ludicrous, error-filled introduction. We just wanted to make sure people knew about the omissions and the errors.

But, no, you guys ran from that like the intellectual cowards you are. If you want to call that a victory, go ahead, but it&#039;s still cowardice.

Here&#039;s my question for you -- I won&#039;t bother calling your show, because I know that standard procedure for you people is to block critics from being heard, just like every ID and creationist blog on the internet -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/sunclipse/2009/11/score.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;how many of those 170,000 copies got dumped and abandoned in public spaces rather than actually handed out&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are the words of someone who isn&#8217;t interested in having a real debate. No one tried to stop you from handing out your ridiculous sham of a book with its missing chapters and ludicrous, error-filled introduction. We just wanted to make sure people knew about the omissions and the errors.</p>
<p>But, no, you guys ran from that like the intellectual cowards you are. If you want to call that a victory, go ahead, but it&#8217;s still cowardice.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my question for you &#8212; I won&#8217;t bother calling your show, because I know that standard procedure for you people is to block critics from being heard, just like every ID and creationist blog on the internet &#8212; <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/sunclipse/2009/11/score.php" rel="nofollow">how many of those 170,000 copies got dumped and abandoned in public spaces rather than actually handed out</a>?</p>
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